Margiela x H&M ???

[Faust]

well, i knew that MM6 was (per default?) done elsewhere (e.g. in Romania), so i sent a mail to the customer service of their online shop (so, not to yoox, but directly to them) to ask for some pants from the line 1 if they were produced in Italy or where. and i got from them the same reply which i once got from yoox, so i assume that their online shop is somewhat linked to yoox, at least here in Europe, also due to the type of shipping they use... it's just an assumption though, i don't know for sure. but yeah, the reply was really lame in any case, so i never ordered the pants.

Yes, YOOX runs everything for Diesel.
I think the Brussels shop was Margiela's first!

[Fuuma]

Yes, YOOX runs everything for Diesel.
I think the Brussels shop was Margiela's first!

MMM in Brussels + plenty of retailers carrying Margiela....

I usually go to the two Paris shops and the choice is good so if that is an option Rilu could also do that.

[Fuuma]

Haha, Fuuma delivers the goods. What I mean is elitism based on meritocracy. Yes, I know, your Uniqlo tees last longer than Rick, but in general...

I'm not sure I follow you, the follow up sort of make it sound like it is about the durability of garments and not some characteristics of the members. I guess people on construction forums are the clothing elite then and if you want fancy construction the angry yuppies foaming at the mouth on styleforum (and the few really interesting people there) should take the cake, well those that go for high end Italian rtw and English/French/Italian bespoke.

[incognito]

I thought everything is made in italy? You asked MMM directly or do you mean YOOX?

i was under this impression as well. At least, I haven't seen any MMM pieces that are not made in italy.

i never bought anything from MMM (meaning, recent years) cause they refused to inform me on where the products were made. it's the same crappy yoox customer service that works for their online shop, i think, and that just refuses to give that information for any product.

yah that seems shady not to mention illegal....at least in the US.


unrelated, has anyone been able to confirm or deny that the H&M collab pieces will have the 4 white stitches? i'm really hoping they dont. *guy that doesn't cut his own off*

[incognito]

Found the answer to my own question

The label will be white but will not include the iconic white pick stitches, visible on the outside of the garment.

[Fuuma]

how about court interpreters & child psychologists? You operate on a whole lot of presumptions that you seem to espouse as universally-applicable in a way that sometimes comes off as a sort of dogma..

elitism isn't exactly the word i'd be applying with respect to this forum, at least not with the sort of abandon faust has been throwing it around. the merit of these things is subjective, and i'm merely happy that there is a place where i've been able to come across some folks whose aesthetic leanings and attitudes towards related matters are something i'm able to relate to.

i do think your definition of what makes a 'professional', aesthetically at least, appears to be painfully out of touch with the times. there is, i understand, a particular (equally niche) set of dadcore sartorialists grazing in the pastures of styleforum. i don't believe their interpretation of 'professional attire' any more objective than mine. or yours for that matter.

I understand your post to be a spinoff of mine but I don't see how it contradicts it. I merely posited that people who did not have a business dress code tended to be psychologically impacted by it then made some Freudian quip. Cool offices don't make you cool or outside the system or edgy, it just means you can keep weird hours, dress like you want and have a nice espresso machine and some bike racks.

[Atom]

Cool offices don't make you cool or outside the system or edgy, it just means you can keep weird hours, dress like you want and have a nice espresso machine and some bike racks.

Sounds quite cool.

[Faust]

I'm not sure I follow you, the follow up sort of make it sound like it is about the durability of garments and not some characteristics of the members. I guess people on construction forums are the clothing elite then and if you want fancy construction the angry yuppies foaming at the mouth on styleforum (and the few really interesting people there) should take the cake, well those that go for high end Italian rtw and English/French/Italian bespoke.

I wasn't talking about members of this forum.

[525252]

can we replace the words "elitist" with "specialist"

It just makes more sense, its not a euphemism, its a more appropriate word

[Fuuma]

I wasn't talking about members of this forum.

Gretel, you just left me stranded in the black forest, all alone, this isn't how it was supposed to happen!! I have no idea where you are going with this.

[CARMEN]

can we replace the words "elitist" with "specialist"

It just makes more sense, its not a euphemism, its a more appropriate word

no it's totally a euphemism

'specialist' doesn't account for that element of snobbery, or the cynical/narcissistic tones in thought and/or feeling

its not bad to just naturally be a bit of an elitist. it's probably due to a sense of refinement that most likely spills into other areas of your personhood. but don't be so fucking proud of it. don't think less of others or threaten them with flamethrowers because they listen to lana del rey lol

passive elitist > aggressive elitist

[Faust]

Gretel, you just left me stranded in the black forest, all alone, this isn't how it was supposed to happen!! I have no idea where you are going with this.

I'm sorry, Hanzel! Don't let the evil H&M witch get you.

[several_girls]

yes, indeed! but why aren't we hearing more about such developments? is democratization of fashion necessarily, as Faust would have it, its "bastardization"? and i would like to point out that democratization shouldn't here mean aesthetically mass-compatible, but rather, affordable for many. quality instead of quantity is one way to go, and I think the localization in general would contribute to that a lot as well.

I'm attempting to bring this topic back onto some interesting rails. My own idea of "democratizing fashion" is similar to yours, Rilu, but would not involve selling everyone affordable design, but providing people with the means to produce their own design. This is highly idealistic I realize, but it would permit individuals with an interest a way for their own artistic vision to grow and unfold. I hope I am not suffering from ideology here.

[Patroklus]

^^

the video is terrible but that kind of juxtaposes with his point :D

[several_girls]

^ that sounds like a nice idea, what concretely do you have in mind?

To be honest I have not given it much thought. The first image to come to mind was handing out sewing machines. I'm sure this could be brought into a much broader set of proposals though; for example I think Merz (among others) mentioned in the "NEXT" thread a greater degree of partnership between designer and wearer.

I just wanted to poke at this idea that fashion's accessibility can only be a function of consumption. This means Faust's original thought that democratizing fashion necessarily means bastardization, dilution of artistic vision, etc can be incorrect.

The way societies around the world currently function though, means these sorts of ideas are more fantastical than practical. The high division of labor and the profit motive render such projects excessive, burdensome. There is an interest bubbling in some communities though: a return to skilled, artisan, craft, and local labor appeals to many of my own peers, and many here on SZ of course. I just don't think the market will sustain any such movement on a large enough scale to be socially significant. We'll probably continue to see H&M and Uniqlo collabs.

Plus, these collaborations even do all the intellectual heavy-lifting for you. Aha! I think I've found it. The real genius here with these collabs is that customers don't even have to expend energy doing research or curation. They can simply be told what looks good and what's fashionable.