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Re: dior sneakers
Gotta keep it fun with a little debate [73]
I'm generalizing the people who are all about DH now (versus the group that was into it up til around s/s 05 that have since moved on... quite a few of them onto brands that are "SZ approved"... a handful of the core members here including Faust I've known for years via the msn forum even!). When the founding members haven't posted on there in years, you know it's over. Even Colin, who WORKED at Dior has been done with the brand for years.
These guys fawn over the terrible crap that has been put out in the last couple of years from DH (subjective.. I totally understand) and pretty much embody the complete hipster look and attitude that is both boring and beyond homogenous now.
My feeling is that these people will buy anything as long as it's got that silver Dior tag on the inside. It could be any piece of crap and they'll start a thread on it and then everyone on there will want it... and then everyone on there looks the same. The thing is, nothing that they're after is really all that great (subjective... again I know). It's t-shirt and jeans and some brokeass looking sneakers that are $585. The exact same look can be accomplished for hundreds if not thousands less at your local H&M because that look is 4 years old. Just look at the people who've posted photos of themselves on that site. You couldn't even TELL it was a DH dress shirt aside from the comment attached to it. It's still some dude wearing it half unbuttoned, sleeves rolled up at some club.
You paid $350? I'll pay you $5 to never post another photo again. (just a joke! Trying to keep it lighthearted! [B])
As for the appreciation of the line, I think that those that saw, handled and bought the earlier collections while they were on the racks have a wholly different view of DH than those who were more than happy to buy plasticky thin brown leather jackets with quilted interiors for $4k+ that both look and felt like shit just because "when I zip it up it's so thin and tight I can't even breathe!" I get it. It's slim. That's not special anymore as of 6 or more years now.
I see these guys as buying luster/strip (and nary a mention of ANYTHING from Follow Me, Red, Reflection, Solitaire) purely for shock value/bragging rights. They've never even seen the stuff in person (they probably were still in grade school when the shit was in stores given the way they talk on that forum) and only seem to want it because everyone else does. Have you seen how people speak so reverently about bleu clairs and the strip ripped jeans? BOTH were purchase by me from the DH boutique in NY during sales time (and I'm not a special size so you know neither sold THAT well.). BOTH were available on ebay, msn, etc. for literally $275-350 and plentiful.
Then a year orso later first you get the original fans wanting those collections because they were truly great and they SAW how great it was then they gave up and moved on (I"m quite certain a good portion of SZ had a DH phase) and then the new pack moved in and said "wait... they wanted those bleu clairs, they GOTTA be good! Fuck it! $1000? I'll buy it!"
I totally understand the concept of an item being worth what you personally think its worth. I'm sure many people who just casually read this site think many of us are insane for paying anything close to what we do for items. In that sense more power to the guy that hunted down that one piece he's been wanting for a while and getting it by whatever means necessary. We all do that and it's rewarding as all hell.
The thing is that (reading between the lines on the msn forum) these people don't seem to actually truly LIKE the stuff for anything more than wanting to emulate the total look of an old ad campaign photo or get some piece just because everyone wants/wanted it. Lets face it... the bleu clairs are really pretty shitty.
A light blue pair of jeans goes with..... nothing.
The strip ripped jeans? Unless you're an attention crusader... nothing.
I've worn both (Mass seems to know pretty well.... I've owned just about every key DH piece ever created... multiples.) and liberated both. Sometimes two or three times.
I think two true testaments as to why the new DH crowd is almost completely brand-whoring (and yes... I'm quite certain this can be turned around on me and others in regards to CDiem/CCP/MA+ et al but then we'll just have to write more ;) ) is two points:
1. The construction, detail and silhouette created from the beginning at Solitaire probably hasn't been mentioned on that site in well over a year. No one is hunting for that impeccably, beautifully, perfectly constructed Red Collection suit. They want some "I'm the boy about town that you've heard of" t-shirt that just makes me want to die. This is a clear sign they aren't about the brand in the original breakthrough sense. Luster isn't mentioned as one of the great collections that generated mens haute couture that was still wearable... it's "where the napolean [sic] jacket is from."
If I see Napoleon spelled incorrectly one more time on that forum, I may just implode.
2. When "the best leather jacket that Hedi has ever produced" is from post s/s 06, all hope is lost. Sub par construction, sub par design and astronomical prices for what you get (don't lie to yourself... a factory churned out no fewer than 1000 of those and you're paying $4.5k for it?!) and yet it still sells out and 4 people are left looking for it in 42P. That is a sad state of affairs.
But like Matt said above, to each their own. I don't raise a ruckus over there... only when it seeps over here.
PS- I still say buy Stan Smith Adidas kicks. [Y]
Gotta keep it fun with a little debate [73]
I'm generalizing the people who are all about DH now (versus the group that was into it up til around s/s 05 that have since moved on... quite a few of them onto brands that are "SZ approved"... a handful of the core members here including Faust I've known for years via the msn forum even!). When the founding members haven't posted on there in years, you know it's over. Even Colin, who WORKED at Dior has been done with the brand for years.
These guys fawn over the terrible crap that has been put out in the last couple of years from DH (subjective.. I totally understand) and pretty much embody the complete hipster look and attitude that is both boring and beyond homogenous now.
My feeling is that these people will buy anything as long as it's got that silver Dior tag on the inside. It could be any piece of crap and they'll start a thread on it and then everyone on there will want it... and then everyone on there looks the same. The thing is, nothing that they're after is really all that great (subjective... again I know). It's t-shirt and jeans and some brokeass looking sneakers that are $585. The exact same look can be accomplished for hundreds if not thousands less at your local H&M because that look is 4 years old. Just look at the people who've posted photos of themselves on that site. You couldn't even TELL it was a DH dress shirt aside from the comment attached to it. It's still some dude wearing it half unbuttoned, sleeves rolled up at some club.
You paid $350? I'll pay you $5 to never post another photo again. (just a joke! Trying to keep it lighthearted! [B])
As for the appreciation of the line, I think that those that saw, handled and bought the earlier collections while they were on the racks have a wholly different view of DH than those who were more than happy to buy plasticky thin brown leather jackets with quilted interiors for $4k+ that both look and felt like shit just because "when I zip it up it's so thin and tight I can't even breathe!" I get it. It's slim. That's not special anymore as of 6 or more years now.
I see these guys as buying luster/strip (and nary a mention of ANYTHING from Follow Me, Red, Reflection, Solitaire) purely for shock value/bragging rights. They've never even seen the stuff in person (they probably were still in grade school when the shit was in stores given the way they talk on that forum) and only seem to want it because everyone else does. Have you seen how people speak so reverently about bleu clairs and the strip ripped jeans? BOTH were purchase by me from the DH boutique in NY during sales time (and I'm not a special size so you know neither sold THAT well.). BOTH were available on ebay, msn, etc. for literally $275-350 and plentiful.
Then a year orso later first you get the original fans wanting those collections because they were truly great and they SAW how great it was then they gave up and moved on (I"m quite certain a good portion of SZ had a DH phase) and then the new pack moved in and said "wait... they wanted those bleu clairs, they GOTTA be good! Fuck it! $1000? I'll buy it!"
I totally understand the concept of an item being worth what you personally think its worth. I'm sure many people who just casually read this site think many of us are insane for paying anything close to what we do for items. In that sense more power to the guy that hunted down that one piece he's been wanting for a while and getting it by whatever means necessary. We all do that and it's rewarding as all hell.
The thing is that (reading between the lines on the msn forum) these people don't seem to actually truly LIKE the stuff for anything more than wanting to emulate the total look of an old ad campaign photo or get some piece just because everyone wants/wanted it. Lets face it... the bleu clairs are really pretty shitty.
A light blue pair of jeans goes with..... nothing.
The strip ripped jeans? Unless you're an attention crusader... nothing.
I've worn both (Mass seems to know pretty well.... I've owned just about every key DH piece ever created... multiples.) and liberated both. Sometimes two or three times.
I think two true testaments as to why the new DH crowd is almost completely brand-whoring (and yes... I'm quite certain this can be turned around on me and others in regards to CDiem/CCP/MA+ et al but then we'll just have to write more ;) ) is two points:
1. The construction, detail and silhouette created from the beginning at Solitaire probably hasn't been mentioned on that site in well over a year. No one is hunting for that impeccably, beautifully, perfectly constructed Red Collection suit. They want some "I'm the boy about town that you've heard of" t-shirt that just makes me want to die. This is a clear sign they aren't about the brand in the original breakthrough sense. Luster isn't mentioned as one of the great collections that generated mens haute couture that was still wearable... it's "where the napolean [sic] jacket is from."
If I see Napoleon spelled incorrectly one more time on that forum, I may just implode.
2. When "the best leather jacket that Hedi has ever produced" is from post s/s 06, all hope is lost. Sub par construction, sub par design and astronomical prices for what you get (don't lie to yourself... a factory churned out no fewer than 1000 of those and you're paying $4.5k for it?!) and yet it still sells out and 4 people are left looking for it in 42P. That is a sad state of affairs.
But like Matt said above, to each their own. I don't raise a ruckus over there... only when it seeps over here.
PS- I still say buy Stan Smith Adidas kicks. [Y]
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